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Introduction
Welcome to the Common Lisp Charter Subgroup.
In order to mail to this group, send to the address:

		CL-Charter@su-ai.arpa

Capitalization is not necessary, and if you are directly on the ARPANET,
you can nickname SU-AI.ARPA as SAIL. An archive of messages is kept on
SAIL in the file:

			   CLCHRT.MSG[COM,LSP]

You can read this file or FTP it away without logging in to SAIL.

To communicate with the moderator, send to the address:

		CL-Charter-request@su-ai.arpa

Here is a list of the people who are currently on the mailing list:

Person			Affiliation	Net Address

Gary Brown		DEC		gbrown@dec-marlboro
Martin Griss		HP		griss.hplabs@csnet-relay (I hope)
Joe Ginder		PERQ		Joseph.Ginder@cmu-cs-spice
Dick Gabriel		Stanford/Lucid	rpg@sail
Steve Ford		TI		Ford.ti-csl@csnet-relay
Carl Hewitt		MIT		Hewitt-charter@mc
Mark Hatch		Apollo		hatch@aerospace
Dan Weinreb		Symbolics	DLW@scrc-stonybrook
Rick Hudson		UMass		hudson.umass-cs@csnet-relay
Govind Deshpande	JPL		deshpande@jpl-vlsi.arpa
Beau Sheil		Xerox		sheil@xerox

The first order of business is for each of us to ask people we know who may
be interested in this subgroup if they would like to be added to this list.

Next, we ought to consider who might wish to be the chairman of this subgroup.
Before this happens, I think we ought to wait until the list is more nearly
complete. 

∂23-Sep-84  1637	RPG  	Introduction  
To:   cl-charter@SU-AI.ARPA 
Welcome to the Common Lisp Charter Subgroup.
In order to mail to this group, send to the address:

		CL-Charter@su-ai.arpa

Capitalization is not necessary, and if you are directly on the ARPANET,
you can nickname SU-AI.ARPA as SAIL. An archive of messages is kept on
SAIL in the file:

			   CLCHRT.MSG[COM,LSP]

You can read this file or FTP it away without logging in to SAIL.

To communicate with the moderator, send to the address:

		CL-Charter-request@su-ai.arpa

Here is a list of the people who are currently on the mailing list:

Person			Affiliation	Net Address

Gary Brown		DEC		gbrown@dec-marlboro
Martin Griss		HP		griss.hplabs@csnet-relay (I hope)
Joe Ginder		PERQ		Joseph.Ginder@cmu-cs-spice
Dick Gabriel		Stanford/Lucid	rpg@sail
Steve Ford		TI		Ford.ti-csl@csnet-relay
Carl Hewitt		MIT		Hewitt-charter@mc
Mark Hatch		Apollo		hatch@aerospace
Dan Weinreb		Symbolics	DLW@scrc-stonybrook
Rick Hudson		UMass		hudson.umass-cs@csnet-relay
Govind Deshpande	JPL		deshpande@jpl-vlsi.arpa
Beau Sheil		Xerox		sheil@xerox

The first order of business is for each of us to ask people we know who may
be interested in this subgroup if they would like to be added to this list.

Next, we ought to consider who might wish to be the chairman of this subgroup.
Before this happens, I think we ought to wait until the list is more nearly
complete. 

∂02-Oct-84  1319	RPG  	Chairman 
To:   cl-charter@SU-AI.ARPA 
Now that we've basically got most everyone who is interested on the mailing
list, let's pick a chairman. I suggest that people volunteer for chairman.

The duties are to keep the discussion going, to gather proposals and review
them, and to otherwise administer the needs of the mailing list. I will
retain the duties of maintaining the list itself and the archives, but
otherwise the chairman will be running the show. 

Any takers?
			-rpg-

∂12-Oct-84  1151	FAHLMAN@CMU-CS-C.ARPA 	An idea
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From: "Scott E. Fahlman" <Fahlman@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>
To:   cl-charter@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: An idea


Raj Reddy suggested an idea that may or may not be what we want to do,
but is certainly worth thinking about: instead of setting up yet anotehr
non-profit organization to protect our common interests in Common Lisp,
perhaps AAAI would be willing and able to handle this.  The Common Lisp
organization could be set up as a subcommittee or some such.

On the plus side, they are already incorporated and widely recognized,
have some financial and administrative resources that could help to
grease the wheels, and they certainly would help to promote the
user-oriented perspective that some people have found lacking in our
effort to date.  A stable and coherent Common Lisp would certainly help
to promote AI, which is their reason for existing.

On the negative side, it could be argued that Common Lisp and AAAI do
not have identical interests.  Common Lisp is a general purpose
language, not just for AI, and there are plenty of people who believe
that AI in the future will be done in Prolog or in some other dialect of
Lisp.  Also, there might be a problem with tying Common Lisp to a
strictly American organization.  And, of course, AAAI might not want to
touch a politically charged situation like this with a ten-foot pole.

I think that from our side the advantges probably outweigh the
disadvantages, and maybe we should explore this with the current AAAI
management.  Opinions?

-- Scott

∂13-Oct-84  1448	RPG  	Chairman 
To:   cl-charter@SU-AI.ARPA 

No one has been nominated as chairman of the Charter subgroup.  I will
need either a volunteer or a nomination.  Please respond by October 24. At
the end of this month I want to see some ideas and proposals coming in on
this mailing list.

			-rpg-

∂13-Oct-84  1740	FAHLMAN@CMU-CS-C.ARPA 	Chairman    
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Sender: FAHLMAN@CMU-CS-C.ARPA
From: "Scott E. Fahlman" <Fahlman@CMU-CS-C.ARPA>
To:   cl-charter@SU-AI.ARPA
Subject: Chairman


I am interested in the political future of this effort and would be
happy to serve as the chairman of the Charter subcommittee.  I am
currently acting as chairman of the interim executive committee (a.k.a.
the Gang of Five), so I would be glad to step aside if some other
well-qualified candidate steps forward for this.  (By "well qualified",
I mean well-connected to the ARPANET and interested enough to be active
in this role.)  But if nobody else wants this post, I'll do it, since this
particular problem HAS to be solved successfully.

-- Scott

∂27-Oct-84  2156	RPG  	Hello folks   
To:   cl-charter@SU-AI.ARPA 

We now have a chairman of the charter:  Scott Fahlman
of CMU.  I think he will make an excellent chairman.  For your
information I am including the current members of the mailing list.

I will now let Scott take over responsibility for the discussion.

Scott Fahlman		CMU		Fahlman@cmuc
Dave Matthews		HP		"hpfclp!charter%hplabs"@csnet-relay
John Foderaro		Berkeley	jkf@ucbmike.arpa
Gary Brown		DEC		brown@dec-huson
Richard Fateman		Berekely	fateman@berkeley
Martin Griss		HP		griss.hplabs@csnet-relay (I hope)
Joe Ginder		PERQ		Joseph.Ginder@cmu-cs-spice
Dick Gabriel		Stanford/Lucid	rpg@sail
Steve Ford		TI		Ford.ti-csl@csnet-relay
Carl Hewitt		MIT		Hewitt-charter@mc
Mark Hatch		Apollo		hatch@aerospace
Dan Weinreb		Symbolics	DLW@scrc-stonybrook
Rick Hudson		UMass		hudson.umass-cs@csnet-relay
Govind Deshpande	JPL		deshpande@jpl-vlsi.arpa
Beau Sheil		Xerox		sheil@xerox
Neal Feinberg		Symbolics	feinberg@scrc-stony-brook